Latest CO2 increase marks largest rise ever in world's atmosphere

GodisanAtheist said:

A major issue with the climate change narrative is this idea that if you buy an electric car or convert to solar you're fighting climate change (and you are) but in the smallest kind of way.

Really the overwhelming amount of emissions come from industry, commercial travel, shipping... Things that it would be super inconvenient to try and get off of fossile fuels.

So the narrative revolves around "do your part" to make people feel like they're in control and they're in the driver's seat when really, much larger policy decisions have to happen.

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Nothing in this article does any of that. I agree that in the past the narrative was often about blaming individuals rather than the corporations that run the factories and all that, but in more recent times I think people have gotten smarter about it and the narrative usually puts the blame in the right place.

Historically levels of CO2 have been much higher while sustaining life on Earth. The rise in CO2 follows a rise in heat rather than the other way around. The largest cause for this is the sun heating oceans which release the majority of CO2 into the atmosphere. When the oceans cool they absorb CO2. The sun goes through cycles which influences the temperature of our oceans and therefore the amount of CO2 in our atmosphere. When CO2 in the atmosphere is high, nature prospers, plants and trees grow larger and produce more oxygen as deserts turn green.

"Climate change due to CO2" is one of the biggest scams we have ever entertained. Now don't worry about actual pollution, go pay your carbon tax and buy some environment destroying "green" batteries.

MaXtor said:

Historically levels of CO2 have been much higher while sustaining life on Earth. The rise in CO2 follows a rise in heat rather than the other way around. The largest cause for this is the sun heating oceans which release the majority of CO2 into the atmosphere. When the oceans cool they absorb CO2. The sun goes through cycles which influences the temperature of our oceans and therefore the amount of CO2 in our atmosphere. When CO2 in the atmosphere is high, nature prospers, plants and trees grow larger and produce more oxygen as deserts turn green.

"Climate change due to CO2" is one of the biggest scams we have ever entertained. Now don't worry about actual pollution, go pay your carbon tax and buy some environment destroying "green" batteries.

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There's always gotta be at least one person who eats up the fossil fuel industry garbage and then regurgitates it across the internet...

antiproduct said:

There's always gotta be at least one person who eats up the fossil fuel industry garbage and then regurgitates it across the internet...

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Maybe it's true, maybe not.

If we all just took as truth what the media told us, we'd all be on our 24th booster shot for covid or we would all believe our intentions for the Gulf war was not because of oil and we'd all believe that birds are not real.

Crtical thinking for yourself is good. But just remember to do your best at getting info from all sides before just jumping to a conclusion.

In other words, don't just drink the Koolaid on either side, think for yourself.

MaXtor said:

Historically levels of CO2 have been much higher while sustaining life on Earth. The rise in CO2 follows a rise in heat rather than the other way around. The largest cause for this is the sun heating oceans which release the majority of CO2 into the atmosphere. When the oceans cool they absorb CO2. The sun goes through cycles which influences the temperature of our oceans and therefore the amount of CO2 in our atmosphere. When CO2 in the atmosphere is high, nature prospers, plants and trees grow larger and produce more oxygen as deserts turn green.

"Climate change due to CO2" is one of the biggest scams we have ever entertained. Now don't worry about actual pollution, go pay your carbon tax and buy some environment destroying "green" batteries.

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That's not how that works.

1) Yes, the planet was hotter at times in the past, but CO2 levels and heat took 10s or hundreds of thousands of years to go up and down. We're doing a speedrun and doing it in less than ~100 years. The planet's ecosystems can't adapt that fast. Humans won't be able to survive in the equitorial zones and you'll have mass migrations that make your current "immigration" issues look paltry.

2) the sun does go through cycles, but that's not what's "warming the oceans" or causing the release of CO2. Oceans do release CO2 when warmed, but the sun didn't just start "baking" the earth at a time scale that humans can measure or comprehend. Most of the CO2 coming out of the oceans is due to decaying plant matter releasing sequestered CO2 back into the environment and the increase in decaying plant matter is due to the rise of ocean temperatures, pollution and loss of habitat. Even IF it were true...the numbers being talked about are not "massive" in a global scale. Some articles talk about it's the same as 1-2 million cars driving for a year. Now, that's a lot of cars, but considering all the other **** we burn (forests, fuel, making plastics, energy, etc...) it's a small number. You do realize that burning rain forests, burning coal, burning oil, burning natural gas, burning pretty much anything is releasing CO2, right? That CO2 acts as a blanket in the atmosphere.

3) Nature might prosper if it wasn't for the pollution, cutting it all down and again..nature can't "adapt" as fast as the changes we're making. On a geological timescale...we're working in nanoseconds. Yes, theoretically, some climate zones would grow and shift further north / south towards the poles, but you will also see changes in weather patterns and some places will be desert that weren't before. Overall, weather will just get more extreme.

antiproduct said:

There's always gotta be at least one person who eats up the fossil fuel industry garbage and then regurgitates it across the internet...

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Dr. Patrick Moore, the co founder and former president of Greenpeace supports what I explained with data showing how Al Gore took a zoomed in look at the data to fit a narrative while ignoring the full history of CO2 in our atmosphere. But feel free to write it off however you see fit.

For your information though, I do think we should move away from fossil fuels, but not due to CO2.

MaXtor said:

Historically levels of CO2 have been much higher while sustaining life on Earth. The rise in CO2 follows a rise in heat rather than the other way around. The largest cause for this is the sun heating oceans which release the majority of CO2 into the atmosphere. When the oceans cool they absorb CO2. The sun goes through cycles which influences the temperature of our oceans and therefore the amount of CO2 in our atmosphere. When CO2 in the atmosphere is high, nature prospers, plants and trees grow larger and produce more oxygen as deserts turn green.

"Climate change due to CO2" is one of the biggest scams we have ever entertained. Now don't worry about actual pollution, go pay your carbon tax and buy some environment destroying "green" batteries.

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100% false.

MaXtor said:

Dr. Patrick Moore, the co founder and former president of Greenpeace supports what I explained with data showing how Al Gore took a zoomed in look at the data to fit a narrative while ignoring the full history of CO2 in our atmosphere. But feel free to write it off however you see fit.

For your information though, I do think we should move away from fossil fuels, but not due to CO2.

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Wikipedia: Greenpeace has criticized Moore, calling him "a paid spokesman for the nuclear industry, the logging industry, and genetic engineering industry"[4] who "exploits long-gone ties with Greenpeace to sell himself as a speaker and pro-corporate spokesperson"

Kirby1 said:

Wikipedia: Greenpeace has criticized Moore, calling him "a paid spokesman for the nuclear industry, the logging industry, and genetic engineering industry"[4] who "exploits long-gone ties with Greenpeace to sell himself as a speaker and pro-corporate spokesperson"

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Nice. Now go listen to Patrick Moore's side of the story and why he left Greenpeace.

Anyway, I'm not here to change anyone's mind. If anyone is interested, there are several talks on Youtube from Dr. Patrick Moore and others which you'll find in related videos. If you're only interested in being "right" then there are plenty more Wikipedia and Snopes "facts" to prove me wrong.

Have a good weekend everyone.

MaXtor said:

Nice. Now go listen to Patrick Moore's side of the story and why he left Greenpeace.

Anyway, I'm not here to change anyone's mind. If anyone is interested, there are several talks on Youtube from Dr. Patrick Moore and others which you'll find in related videos. If you're only interested in being "right" then there are plenty more Wikipedia and Snopes "facts" to prove me wrong.

Have a good weekend everyone.

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I don't need to listen to a lobbyist who hasn't been involved in Greenpeace since the 80s to know that CO2 levels and climate change are linked. It's clear you have actively choosen to believe in misinformation because it's easier for you than the truth.

Just because you don't get it, doesn't mean I need to waste time on your brand of BS.

Kirby1 said:

It's clear you have actively choosen to believe in misinformation because it's easier for you than the truth.

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In my opinion the easiest way to pick a side is to only hear one side. I make it much more difficult on myself. I hear out every side and then read and read and read more. I'm quite obsessive that way. Sometimes I'm wrong, but it's never for lack of effort or research.

GodisanAtheist said:

A major issue with the climate change narrative is this idea that if you buy an electric car or convert to solar you're fighting climate change (and you are) but in the smallest kind of way.

Really the overwhelming amount of emissions come from industry, commercial travel, shipping... Things that it would be super inconvenient to try and get off of fossile fuels.

So the narrative revolves around "do your part" to make people feel like they're in control and they're in the driver's seat when really, much larger policy decisions have to happen.

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Cutting way the f down on animal product consumption would help a lot too. Factory farming and associated wastes account for something like 20% of greenhouse gas emissions.

People could just not eat so much meat, and the looming catastrophes would be much smaller.

GodisanAtheist said:

A major issue with the climate change narrative is this idea that if you buy an electric car or convert to solar you're fighting climate change (and you are) but in the smallest kind of way.

Really the overwhelming amount of emissions come from industry, commercial travel, shipping... Things that it would be super inconvenient to try and get off of fossile fuels.

So the narrative revolves around "do your part" to make people feel like they're in control and they're in the driver's seat when really, much larger policy decisions have to happen.

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Can I see what you've been reading about Climate Change?

MaXtor said:

In my opinion the easiest way to pick a side is to only hear one side. I make it much more difficult on myself. I hear out every side and then read and read and read more. I'm quite obsessive that way. Sometimes I'm wrong, but it's never for lack of effort or research.

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You should take your own advice.

After reading this article, this came to my mind that was posted recently. I guarantee it will make you laugh.
I totally agree with him.

Neatfeatguy said:

If we all just took as truth what the media told us...

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This, some of the rubbish I've seen in the news. I wouldn't eat anything, because everything gives me cancer apparently. I won't be able to have kids if I ever eat a snickers bar, and PewDiePie would be a massive Nazi trying to take over the world with the forth Reich.

It's very hard to take anything seriously these days, It's getting harder and harder to tell what's actually real and whats not without extensive searching.

antiproduct said:

There's always gotta be at least one person who eats up the fossil fuel industry garbage and then regurgitates it across the internet...

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Go research the people pushing this. The people that are pushing this are well known scammers and look at what companies Kerry owns , Bill Gates, Al Gore, Obama, Trudeau etc. I have keep track with people like Kerry saying the world will end since the 1980's. I still have the Hawaii video of the governor with his first few words saying, this is due to global warming. I'm not joking, that was his first sentence when he went on camera. Look at how that comment aged. Don't you people get it? These people are sick! Go research Newsom working with China even with AI camera technology. These people only care about money. America's oil reserves are almost empty and guess who bought it, China. Now we get dirty oil from Venezuela which pollutes more shipping it lol.

Shame this site has been hijacked by the left to push their propaganda.

In a article talking about CO2 increase why is there a picture of power plant evaporation towers emitting water vapor? Its almost like the author doesnt understand where CO2 comes from.

The irony of the sun cycle argument is that fossil fuels are billions of years of the sun's energy, absorbed by plants and algae and used to pull carbon from the air to grow or reproduce, locked in a liquid/solid form.

Greta is smiling

So all the carbon taxes and electric vehicles didn't help at all?