World's "largest" air vacuum fires up in Iceland, will suck CO2 from air and bury it
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Underdog
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Until someone decides to cut them down.....................to make money. People are ignoring the elephant in the room. We exhale Co2.
Gastec
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It reminds me of the windtrap from Dune, specifically the power generator in Dune II. I imagine millions of these, fields upon fields of AI-controlled carbontraps, sucking the Earth dry of carbon dioxide and all life in the process.
PS: don't tell the A.I. that a by-product of mammalian cellular respiration is carbon dioxide
PS: don't tell the A.I. that a by-product of mammalian cellular respiration is carbon dioxide
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antiproduct
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Wow, the amount of stupid in these comments is astounding.
For those people who talk about planting trees, the thing is they're basically carbon neutral. They'll be a carbon sink now, but eventually they'll die, get burned up, or broken down, then the carbon returns back to the atmosphere. This is why burning fossil fuels is adding CO2 to the atmosphere, because all of it was locked away under the surface, we pull it out, burn it, then pay off politicians and media outlets to say it's not really happening. Anyway, what this company is doing is pulling it out of the atmosphere and then locking it away in a way that won't escape back into the atmosphere. Which is really what will need to happen on a larger scale, if only the *****s who deny reality would just STFU about it and go hang out with the world is flat people I guess.
For those people who talk about planting trees, the thing is they're basically carbon neutral. They'll be a carbon sink now, but eventually they'll die, get burned up, or broken down, then the carbon returns back to the atmosphere. This is why burning fossil fuels is adding CO2 to the atmosphere, because all of it was locked away under the surface, we pull it out, burn it, then pay off politicians and media outlets to say it's not really happening. Anyway, what this company is doing is pulling it out of the atmosphere and then locking it away in a way that won't escape back into the atmosphere. Which is really what will need to happen on a larger scale, if only the *****s who deny reality would just STFU about it and go hang out with the world is flat people I guess.
I'm not against anything that helps, but if the average American produces 16 tons a year, and this is capable of 36000 tons per year, inst that only equivalent to like 2250 people per year. how many of these would be required to truly make an impact? current u.s. populations is 341,576,132, just to nullify American carbon production alone, wouldn't you need like 151,811 of these facilities?
themastergoose
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Endymio
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LOL, no they aren't. Where do you think the coal and oil we burn originally came from? All the CO2 environmentalists complain of was originally in the atmosphere. It was sucked out by plant life and eventually converted into these dense hydrocarbons.
Yes, not all of the CO2 a plant absorbs is captured long term. But a great deal is, which is why even environmentalists admit that cutting down trees contributes to increased CO2. From the Grantham Research Institute on Climate Change:
"...When deforestation occurs, much of the carbon stored by trees is released back into the atmosphere as carbon dioxide, which contributes to climate change....."
What is the role of deforestation in climate change and how can 'Reducing Emissions from Deforestation and Degradation' (REDD+) help? - Grantham Research Institute on climate change and the environment
Recognising the importance of forests in tackling climate change, REDD+ policies provide financial incentives to stop deforestation globally.
www.lse.ac.uk
See above. The science here really isn't that complex. Why not absorb it ... even if you, like a felled tree, ultimately emit some back.
Gastec
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I could make that calculation for you but it's too time-consuming. I'll just make a resume: stuff is made in China, India and other countries of Asia, in factories powered by electricity produced by burning hydrocarbons, especially coal. Stuff is brought to Europe to build state-of-the-art carbon-dioxide windtraps. It is a sort-of perpetuum mobile.
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Stiqy
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This captures 36000 tons of Co2 per year. A tree sequesters roughly 48 pounds per year according to the Arbour Day foundation.
36000 tons is 72000000 pounds. It would take 1.5 million trees to sequester the same Co2 per year.
I'm not saying that's a bad idea... just that it isn't ten trees.
antiproduct
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Yes, all the CO2 was in the atmosphere ages ago when the dinosaurs roamed the earth (when the planet was 5-10C hotter), then many things (plants, animals, etc) at that time got buried rather quickly. This event removed lots of that CO2 from the environment. They broke down and became coal and oil and were buried beneath the surface locked away, essentially removed from being accessed into our biosphere. When we dig up that oil or coal and burn it, we're re-adding that carbon to our atmosphere. So if you think "well, it was fine for dinosaurs, should be good" you should look up what 10C increase in global temps would be like.
Trees on the other hand, while they do absorb CO2 and can live for a decent amount of time, they eventually get burned or used up or eaten and then that carbon returns to the biosphere. So while trees are a great band-aid for our problem, they still keep the carbon readily available for release.
It's in Iceland! How many trees do you see around it? Just don't build it in a forest.
WhoCaresAnymore
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Like I said. Green is all about Money. This whole CO2 things is the biggest hoax of all.
Endymio
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Stop the fearmongering. Current climate sensitivity is estimated at 1.0 to 3.0C per doubling -- we'd need to go from the current 400ppm to 2,000+ ppm to see a 10C rise.
And even that is rather uncertain, as there are periods in the earth's history -- such as the so-called "Snowball Earth" portion of the Cryogenian, the planet was frozen pole-to-pole, despite atmospheric Co2 levels several times what they are today.
If this were true, there would never be any coal, oil, or natural gas formed on earth.
Athlonite
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Considering that most vegetation in Greenland is more less ground cover only and short shrubs, They'd need to genetically modify trees to grow better in the shite soil and cold *** conditions or plant imported tree's from somewhere like Alaska or Canada
WhoCaresAnymore
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Oh boy, don't talk about that end of the spectrum, you'll trigger the Climate Change fanatics, and they will go block more traffic (cars sitting there idling for hours), and ruin more works of art.
Icelandic forestry by the numbers 2016
The following table and figures include some of the latest available statistics in Icelandic forestry. They were provided by Arnór Snorrason and Björn Traustason at the IFS Research Station Mógilsá, Einar Gunnarsson at the Icelandic Forestry Association and the author.
Trees planted 2015 3.1 million
not likes its an unachievable goal here, they planted double that amount ion 2015 alone...
Stiqy
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Very true, just so gov cronies can line their pockets!!
Gastec
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According to the original CNN article, "all the carbon removal equipment in the world is only capable of removing around 0.01 million metric tons of carbon a year, a far cry from the 70 million tons a year needed by 2030 to meet global climate goals, according to the International Energy Agency."
That would be a rounded number of 7000 carbontraps. Meanwhile we are using Earths mineral resources to make millions of bullets, artillery shells, rockets and missiles to destroy material and personnel in the ongoing wars, while only four years ago we were incapable of making enough toilet paper and face masks during the Covid-19 pandemic
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